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Chapter 5

1 “Call now! Is there anyone who will answer you? To which of the holy ones will you turn? 2 For wrath kills the foolish person, and anger slays the silly one. 3 I myself have seen the fool taking root, but suddenly I cursed his place of residence. 4 His children are far from safety, and they are crushed at the place where judgment is rendered, nor is there anyone to deliver them. 5 The hungry eat up his harvest, and take it even from behind the thorns, and the thirsty pant for their wealth.⁠ 6 For evil does not come up from the dust, nor does trouble spring up from the ground, 7 but people are born to trouble, as surely as the sparks fly upward.⁠ 8 “But as for me, I would seek God, and to God I would set forth my case. 9 He does great and unsearchable things, marvelous things without number; 10 he gives rain on the earth, and sends water on the fields; 11 he sets the lowly on high, that those who mourn are raised to safety. 12 He frustrates the plans of the crafty so that their hands cannot accomplish what they had planned. 13 He catches the wise in their own craftiness, and the counsel of the cunning is brought to a quick end.⁠ 14 They meet with darkness in the daytime, and grope about in the noontime as if it were night. 15 So he saves from the sword that comes from their mouth, even the poor from the hand of the powerful. 16 Thus the poor have hope, and iniquity shuts its mouth. 17 “Therefore, blessed is the man whom God corrects,⁠ so do not despise the discipline of the Almighty.⁠ 18 For he wounds, but he also bandages; he strikes, but his hands also heal.⁠ 19 He will deliver you from six calamities; yes, in seven no evil will touch you. 20 In time of famine he will redeem you from death, and in time of war from the power of the sword. 21 You will be protected from malicious gossip and will not be afraid of the destruction when it comes. 22 You will laugh at destruction and famine and need not be afraid of the beasts of the earth. 23 For you will have a pact with the stones of the field, and the wild animals will be at peace with you. 24 And you will know that your home will be secure, and when you inspect your domains, you will not be missing anything. 25 You will also know that your children will be numerous and your descendants like the grass of the earth. 26 You will come to your grave in a full age, As stacks of grain are harvested in their season. 27 Look, we have investigated this, so it is true. Hear it, and apply it for your own good.”

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Compare Proverbs 3:11 and Job 5:17

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Summary

Job and Proverbs reflect an ancient Near Eastern tradition that difficulty can teach. Proverbs says discipline shapes character and Job challenges this when suffering feels undeserved, showing awareness of the tradition and testing it against experience.

Passages

Proverbs 3:11

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9 Honor the Lord from your wealth and from the first fruits of all your crops; 10 then your barns will be filled completely, and your vats will overflow with new wine. 11 My child, do not despise discipline from the Lord, and do not loathe his rebuke. 12 For the Lord disciplines those he loves, just as a father disciplines the son in whom he delights. 13 Blessed is the one who has found wisdom and the one who obtains understanding.
600–201 BCE (scholarly estimate) Read in Proverbs

Job 5:17

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15 So he saves from the sword that comes from their mouth, even the poor from the hand of the powerful. 16 Thus the poor have hope, and iniquity shuts its mouth. 17 “Therefore, blessed is the man whom God corrects, so do not despise the discipline of the Almighty. 18 For he wounds, but he also bandages; he strikes, but his hands also heal. 19 He will deliver you from six calamities; yes, in seven no evil will touch you.
500–401 BCE (scholarly estimate) Read in Job

References

"... On what basis can one claim that Eliphaz appeals to common tradition about divine discipline? First, the similarities between Job 5:17–18 and Proverbs 3:11–12 ... Second, the affinities between Job 5:18 and Deuteronomy 32:39 ... What can we make of this recurring theme over such a long time? Has a single text influenced the others, or is the theological connection between afflictions and healing a simple fact of experience that would occur to any devout worshipper? It is often claimed that either Deuteronomy 32:39 or Proverbs 3:11–12 is the source of the idea that the deity both afflicts and heals. The accuracy of that claim is not easily proven. Why? First, because the dating of biblical texts is notoriously difficult. Proverbs 3:11–12 belongs to the latest major collection in the book, but chapters 1–9 undoubtedly have much early material that has been subjected to a particular theological understanding of reality. The teaching about divine discipline may fall into this category. In short, we often need to distinguish between the time of composition and the date of specific units within a literary work. Even if Proverbs 1–9 were post-exilic, it could contain some very old proverbial sayings. The same caution pertains to the dating of Deuteronomy 32:39 ..."
James L. Crenshaw, “Divine Discipline in Job 5:17-18, Proverbs 3:11-12, Deuteronomy 32:39, and Beyond,” in Reading Job Intertextually, ed. Katharine Dell and Will Kynes (New York: Bloomsbury T&T Clark, 2013), 178–189.

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