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Sirach

Ben Sira, Ecclesiasticus

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Quarrels and Restraint

Chapter 8

1 Don’t fight with a powerful man, in case you fall into his hands. 2 Don’t quarrel with a rich man, in case he overpowers you, for gold has destroyed many, and turned away the hearts of kings. 3 Don’t argue with a loudmouthed man. Don’t pile wood on his fire.

4 Don’t make fun of a rude man, so that your ancestors are not dishonored. 5 Don’t reproach a man when he turns from sin. Remember that we are all worthy of punishment. 6 Don’t dishonor a man in his old age, for some of us are also growing old. 7 Don’t celebrate anyone’s death. Remember that we all die.

Learning from the Wise and Elderly

8 Don’t neglect the teaching of the wise. Become familiar with their proverbs, for from them you will learn discipline and how to serve important men. 9 Don’t miss the teaching of the elderly, for they also learned from their parents, because from them you will learn understanding, and to give an answer in time of need.⁠

Prudence in Dealing with Others

10 Don’t ignite the coals of a sinner, so that you are not burned with the flame of his fire. 11 Don’t lose your temper in an insolent man’s presence, in case he lies in ambush for what you say.

12 Don’t lend to a man who is stronger than you, and if you lend, count it as a loss. 13 Don’t guarantee a debt beyond your means. If you guarantee it, think like someone who will have to pay. 14 Don’t take a judge to court, for according to his honor they will give judgment for him.

15 Don’t travel with a reckless man, in case he becomes a burden to you, for he will do as he pleases, and you will die because of his foolishness. 16 Don’t fight with a hot-tempered man. Don’t travel with him through the desert, for blood means nothing to him. Where there is no help, he will overthrow you. 17 Don’t consult with a fool, for he will not be able to keep a secret. 18 Do nothing secret in front of a stranger, for you don’t know what it will cause. 19 Don’t open your heart to every man. Don’t let him return you a favor.

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Compare Deuteronomy 4:9 and Jesus Ben Sira, Sirach 8:9

Hebrew Bible · Deuterocanon

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Summary

Sirach echoes Deuteronomy to describe teaching from different perspectives. Deuteronomy urges parents and grandparents to teach the Torah to their children, while Sirach speaks to the children and grandchildren, telling them to listen to their elders.

Passages

Deuteronomy 4:9

Hebrew Bible
7 In fact, what other great nation has a god so near to them like the Lord our God whenever we call on him? 8 And what other great nation has statutes and ordinances as just as this whole law that I am about to share with you today? 9 Again, however, pay very careful attention, lest you forget the things you have seen and disregard them for the rest of your life; instead teach them to your children and grandchildren. 10 You stood before the Lord your God at Horeb and he said to me, “Assemble the people before me so that I can tell them my commands. Then they will learn to revere me all the days they live in the land, and they will instruct their children.” 11 You approached and stood at the foot of the mountain, a mountain ablaze to the sky above it and yet dark with a thick cloud.
640–500 BCE (scholarly estimate) Read in Deuteronomy

Jesus Ben Sira, Sirach 8:9

Deuterocanon · Ben Sira, Ecclesiasticus
7 Don’t celebrate anyone’s death.
Remember that we all die.
8 Don’t neglect the teaching of the wise.
Become familiar with their proverbs,
for from them you will learn discipline
and how to serve important men.
9 Don’t miss the teaching of the elderly,
for they also learned from their parents,
because from them you will learn understanding,
and to give an answer in time of need.
10 Don’t ignite the coals of a sinner,
so that you are not burned with the flame of his fire.
11 Don’t lose your temper in an insolent man’s presence,
in case he lies in ambush for what you say.
195–175 BCE (scholarly estimate) Read in Jesus Ben Sira, Sirach

References

"... Those documents advanced perspectives critical of the contemporary priesthood by presenting themselves as the “teachings” of priest-sages yet older than Moses. Ben Sira, in contrast, writes in his own name, praises the contemporary priesthood, and affirms the Mosaic Torah as the decisive teaching above others. Partly because Ben Sira does not purport to be an archaic record of preMosaic instruction, it provides more direct evidence than the pseudepigrapha about contemporary educational practices. Like them, Ben Sira reflects smallscale, writing-supported, oral education of a literate elite. The book does not witness to any public school or universal literate education yet. When Ben Sira talks of education in general, he presupposes that parents are the primary teachers of their children (Sirach 8:9; 30:3–4; compare also 14:26). He also envisions the Aaronide priests as those responsible for teaching the people God’s commandments (Sirach 45:5, 17) ..."
David M. Carr, Writing on the Tablet of the Heart: Origins of Scripture and Literature (New York: Oxford University Press, 2005), 208.

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